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		<title>Comment on John Mayer (The Hypocrisy Of Relativism, Part 2) by gromko</title>
		<link>http://cafetheology.org/2010/02/16/john-mayer-the-hypocrisy-of-relativism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-39725</link>
		<dc:creator>gromko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much Nicholas, for this. What people who act this way really need is love. I actually went to college with Mr. Mayer and often have dealt with those in my class who despised him. I recently found out that one of my close cousins went to high school with him, and my cousin tells me he was the butt of all the horrible things one can possibly go through at that age. He was bullied, ridiculed, and hated by everyone there. Unfortunately, things like that often affect a person for the rest of their lives. In his case, he sought attention no matter what the cost. And attention is what he has succeeded in attractinge. If there is ever a day when he can let anyone get close to him (rather than just know who he is), maybe he will find that love IS possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much Nicholas, for this. What people who act this way really need is love. I actually went to college with Mr. Mayer and often have dealt with those in my class who despised him. I recently found out that one of my close cousins went to high school with him, and my cousin tells me he was the butt of all the horrible things one can possibly go through at that age. He was bullied, ridiculed, and hated by everyone there. Unfortunately, things like that often affect a person for the rest of their lives. In his case, he sought attention no matter what the cost. And attention is what he has succeeded in attractinge. If there is ever a day when he can let anyone get close to him (rather than just know who he is), maybe he will find that love IS possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Concerts in Churches: The Final Word by reynor</title>
		<link>http://cafetheology.org/2010/01/27/concerts-in-churches-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-39679</link>
		<dc:creator>reynor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing this Nicholas.  Good to know.  God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing this Nicholas.  Good to know.  God bless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Church Unity by Henry2</title>
		<link>http://cafetheology.org/2010/01/23/on-church-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-39674</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Nicholas, really great!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Concerts in Churches: The Final Word by Henry2</title>
		<link>http://cafetheology.org/2010/01/27/concerts-in-churches-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-39673</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Nicholas - it&#039;s very important that we all have this information!   Pax, Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Nicholas &#8211; it&#8217;s very important that we all have this information!   Pax, Henry</p>
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		<title>Comment on Filling Confessionals by Henry A</title>
		<link>http://cafetheology.org/2010/01/03/filling-confessionals/comment-page-1/#comment-39314</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Nicholas!  
 
It seems to me that the heart of the problem is summed up in this quote from the book Faith, Truth, Tolerance: 
 
“How on earth is it that faith still stands any chance of success [even for us who have been baptised]?  I would say that it is because it finds a correspondence in the nature of man…. There is in man an inextinguishable, nostalgic aspiration toward the infinite.  None of the answers which he seeks is sufficient; only the God who has made Himself limited in order to pierce through our limitation and to lead it to the breadth of His infinity is able to meet the questions of our being.  Thus, again today, the Christian faith shall return to find man.”
 
I like this quote very much because it alludes to the fact that unless a person is certain, 100% certain, that Christ is an “encounterable Presence” that he/she encounters today – an “encounterable Presence” that fulfills the deepest and elementary desires of the human heart - He will merely be a name and the sacraments just another piece of catechetical information.  
 
So yes, I agree that all the things you mention are vital but unless one has the awareness that the Living Christ begs for my yes, your yes, every moment of the day of every moment of our life, a yes born from the depth of our heart, those things, while vital, will be as useful as giving people suggestions on how to rearrange furniture on Titanic as it sinks.
 
But how does one develop this awareness?  What method does Christ use to help us develop this awareness?  You actually tell us in your post when you talk about your well meaning Protestant friend and Fr. Rutler.  
 
What&#039;s the method?  That the Living, resurrected, Christ is imminent, becomes present to us, in the guise of a different humanity, a humanity He has possessed at baptism – i.e., the “new” man or woman that St. Paul mentions.  For the encounter with Christ, the impact with the Living Christ, takes place when we encounter this “different” humanity, a humanity that strikes us because it corresponds to the structural needs of our heart.
 
This running into a different humanity is very simple and must be something that comes before everything, before any catechesis, reflection, or development.  Why?  Because Christ did not persuade simply because He catechized, but because He showed who He was.  And if we look at our experience, we will see that we learned the truths of the Faith analytically and osmotically because we were fascinated by the encounter with this new humanity.  And that’s the method we see Christ using in the Gospels!  Think of Zaccheus, the way Christ looked at Zaccheus; Zaccheus did not understand anything from that gaze, but he understood everything.  The same thing happened and must continue to happen to us because it’s only by following the magnetizing Beauty of Christ that’s hidden behind the flesh we bump into that we understand many things, but the important thing was that we, like Zaccheus, were struck by His gaze! 
 
And so, I think the question we should all ask ourselves is: Do I believe that Christ is an “encounterable” fleshy Presence that I bump into today that fulfills the deepest and elementary desires of my heart? 
 
Pax,
 
Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Nicholas!  </p>
<p>It seems to me that the heart of the problem is summed up in this quote from the book Faith, Truth, Tolerance: </p>
<p>“How on earth is it that faith still stands any chance of success [even for us who have been baptised]?  I would say that it is because it finds a correspondence in the nature of man…. There is in man an inextinguishable, nostalgic aspiration toward the infinite.  None of the answers which he seeks is sufficient; only the God who has made Himself limited in order to pierce through our limitation and to lead it to the breadth of His infinity is able to meet the questions of our being.  Thus, again today, the Christian faith shall return to find man.”</p>
<p>I like this quote very much because it alludes to the fact that unless a person is certain, 100% certain, that Christ is an “encounterable Presence” that he/she encounters today – an “encounterable Presence” that fulfills the deepest and elementary desires of the human heart &#8211; He will merely be a name and the sacraments just another piece of catechetical information.  </p>
<p>So yes, I agree that all the things you mention are vital but unless one has the awareness that the Living Christ begs for my yes, your yes, every moment of the day of every moment of our life, a yes born from the depth of our heart, those things, while vital, will be as useful as giving people suggestions on how to rearrange furniture on Titanic as it sinks.</p>
<p>But how does one develop this awareness?  What method does Christ use to help us develop this awareness?  You actually tell us in your post when you talk about your well meaning Protestant friend and Fr. Rutler.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the method?  That the Living, resurrected, Christ is imminent, becomes present to us, in the guise of a different humanity, a humanity He has possessed at baptism – i.e., the “new” man or woman that St. Paul mentions.  For the encounter with Christ, the impact with the Living Christ, takes place when we encounter this “different” humanity, a humanity that strikes us because it corresponds to the structural needs of our heart.</p>
<p>This running into a different humanity is very simple and must be something that comes before everything, before any catechesis, reflection, or development.  Why?  Because Christ did not persuade simply because He catechized, but because He showed who He was.  And if we look at our experience, we will see that we learned the truths of the Faith analytically and osmotically because we were fascinated by the encounter with this new humanity.  And that’s the method we see Christ using in the Gospels!  Think of Zaccheus, the way Christ looked at Zaccheus; Zaccheus did not understand anything from that gaze, but he understood everything.  The same thing happened and must continue to happen to us because it’s only by following the magnetizing Beauty of Christ that’s hidden behind the flesh we bump into that we understand many things, but the important thing was that we, like Zaccheus, were struck by His gaze! </p>
<p>And so, I think the question we should all ask ourselves is: Do I believe that Christ is an “encounterable” fleshy Presence that I bump into today that fulfills the deepest and elementary desires of my heart? </p>
<p>Pax,</p>
<p>Henry</p>
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		<title>Comment on Filling Confessionals by reynor</title>
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		<dc:creator>reynor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the article Nicholas. I couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the article Nicholas. I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prudence and Charity by Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://cafetheology.org/2009/12/27/prudence-and-charity/comment-page-1/#comment-39296</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What seems particularly sad is the lack of understanding that we are ALL what&#039;s wrong with the Church.  We are all sinners and we all fail to reflect Christ.  

The glorious thing, if we are truly humble enough to accept it, is that we are ALSO what is right with the Church.  In recognizing our sin, seeking repentance and living in grace, we are witnesses of the work God is about in us.  And THAT is very, very right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What seems particularly sad is the lack of understanding that we are ALL what&#8217;s wrong with the Church.  We are all sinners and we all fail to reflect Christ.  </p>
<p>The glorious thing, if we are truly humble enough to accept it, is that we are ALSO what is right with the Church.  In recognizing our sin, seeking repentance and living in grace, we are witnesses of the work God is about in us.  And THAT is very, very right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wheat and Weeds by zaramarie81</title>
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		<dc:creator>zaramarie81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts, Nicholas. The scripture is a much-needed reminder that this life is never going to be a utopia, and we need to continue with the good fight to the best of our abilities (which the older I get, the more I feel we have very few abilities but thankfully a strong God who can transform the efforts of his weak children). The third &quot;group&quot; in the abortion debate is of course those who do recognize the life of the child but don&#039;t feel the child deserves the right to life. The have deemed the mother&#039;s life &quot;more important.&quot; Or the &quot;freedom to choose&quot; more important. It&#039;s this group that scares me the most and sadly is growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, Nicholas. The scripture is a much-needed reminder that this life is never going to be a utopia, and we need to continue with the good fight to the best of our abilities (which the older I get, the more I feel we have very few abilities but thankfully a strong God who can transform the efforts of his weak children). The third &#8220;group&#8221; in the abortion debate is of course those who do recognize the life of the child but don&#8217;t feel the child deserves the right to life. The have deemed the mother&#8217;s life &#8220;more important.&#8221; Or the &#8220;freedom to choose&#8221; more important. It&#8217;s this group that scares me the most and sadly is growing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on C.S. Lewis on &#8220;Purgatory&#8221; by Conversion: a gradual process &#171; SCRIPTORIUM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conversion: a gradual process &#171; SCRIPTORIUM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] completed within our lifetimes, we follow original Christian teaching in believing that it will be completed by the fires of love in the next life (see Matthew 12:32), through the merits of Christ and, in Him, of His Church [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Confusing Hospice Decision, Part One: Understanding Kinds of Care by The Confusing Hospice Decision Part One Understanding Kinds of &#124; Uniform Stores</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Confusing Hospice Decision Part One Understanding Kinds of &#124; Uniform Stores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Confusing Hospice Decision Part One Understanding Kinds of   Posted by root 10 minutes ago (http://cafetheology.org)        If these patients elected to have only palliative care in hospice and had developed comments leave a reply you must be logged in to post a comment copyright 2007 caf theology powered by wordpress using blue zinfandel        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; The Confusing Hospice Decision Part One Understanding Kinds of [...]</description>
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